Sadly, many JW's revel in being judgmental, petty, snarky, self-righteous gits. Their 'love' for you is totally conditional on you fully performing the entire programme of JW works. If you get to a point of slacking too much, many will resent you and marginalise you; you are no longer 'worthy' of their friendship and kindess because you are 'spiritually weak' by your slacking so much, and 'spiritually weak' persons should be kept at arms length. This ridiculous judgmentalism and lack of compassion is subtly inculcated by the Watchtow. True Christians are not that way.
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where to go from here?
by jacethespace insome of you on here know that i have been fading for sometime now and stopped going to meetings for quite a while but the past month or so i have returned.i am still just not sure whether at the end jws will be found to be gods people or not.. well today i attended the early sunday meeting eager to try and do what i still think could be right and despite the doubts i have about the watchtower.. now to be fair a number of people came and spoke to me said hello and stuff.the majority just didnt bother.but what really got me today was a number of people who i thought were my friends were just hateful.i even held the door open for one of them and they just were so hatefull and gave me funny looks as if i had the plague or something.i left feeling like this is no diffrent to any other religion.
some nice and other people not so nice.all i could think of on the way home was so much for jehovah never forgetting what you have done for him.im starting to wonder whether the bible is really gods word after all.. i just feel im at a fork in the road and dont know what to do for the best..
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Why do many people get religion, at the end or their lives?
by PEC inthe other day, i was talking to my brother and he tells me that my biological father, has started going back to the meetings and is now shunning him.
this man, now 77, has lived a life outside (sex, drugs and rock and roll) of the borg for at least 47 years.
he lives about a 6 hour drive from me.
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So herein is the problem with the whole bs story. You are told to be afraid-God is vengeful, spiteful and so on. It is scored into your psyche. Problem is that is an awful thing to believe and the mind just can't get over it because once again fear is the motivating factor, But you cannot be 100% certain because we are after all thinking human beings. Why would God be so full of negative emotions?
So as long as people believe there is negative feelings about God, there will always be doubt. If anyone here can believe that the creator is not what some say it is, then perhaps you can cross this negative threshold and start to feel better about your current existence. If you can't , you will always be afraid of the unknown.
My JW associate asked me last month about this question. I told him that if you believe that God is a spiritually perfect being, then what reason do or should you live in fear? I said I am fully aware of my limited lifespan, and believe that if there is an afterlife, that I (and everyone else) would be taken care of. Because I for one do not live in fear. Only I control me. He on the other hand lives in endless fear. That's the control.
Thanks worldtraveller. Those wise and rational thoughts made a LOT of sense to me. It comes down to this: If Jehovah will terminate the great majority of humankind for eternity at Armageddon, as the Watchtower indeed teaches he will, then the Devil won! The Devil succeeded in getting Jehovah to kill billions foreve in furtherance of His own need to prove Himself to his creation as a loving, just, God worthy of worship. One doesn't have to be a genuis to see the awful irony in that. I have no desire to worship such a God, the God of the Watchtower religion. Such a monstrously unfathomable act of cruelty would also prove that Jesus was a liar since Jesus said he came to save the world. If Jesus massacres billions of mankind forever at Armageddon, by no account has he saved the world and he did not love the world as he said he did (John 3:16). You cannot say "I love you. I'll kill you!" That's evil and absurd. It would also prove Jehovah is not just because by no stretch of the imagination is to just to resurrect billions who died in ignorance but to slaughter billions at Armaggedon for eternity who are likewise in ignorance. Why should you get a second chance at eternal life based only on the arbitrariness of when in history you were born. God is not so capricious. So if Jehovah is a loving, just, merciful God, he would never, ever kill most of humanity for all eternity at Armageddon. I dont' quite know what Jehovah has in store for humanity in the future but I know it is not the awful holocaustic future that the Watchtower paints. This simple but profound epiphany is what extinguished my morbid, fear of Jehovah that kept me enslaved to Watchtowerism. The realisation taht the Watchtower was not teaching the truth about Jehovah's purposes for mankind is what broke the Watchtower's spell over me and set me free. Yes, "knowing" the truth about who Jehovah is indeed set me free (John 17:3). The Watchtower distorts this truth to keep their subjects in loyal, obedient, unquestioning mental bondage to their religionism.
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Check out these digital posters on infowars.com
by Must obey! inprovocative but way cool http://www.infowars.com/cartoons_10.htm#newyear.
would love to see some done like this re the watchtower.
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Provocative but way cool http://www.infowars.com/cartoons_10.htm#newyear
Would love to see some done like this re the Watchtower
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Why do many people get religion, at the end or their lives?
by PEC inthe other day, i was talking to my brother and he tells me that my biological father, has started going back to the meetings and is now shunning him.
this man, now 77, has lived a life outside (sex, drugs and rock and roll) of the borg for at least 47 years.
he lives about a 6 hour drive from me.
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Guess its kind of like life insurance policy at that age. If its all true he wins; but if it's not true, what has he lost except a bit of time in his few remaining years. At least he gets some compan, and he gets to sleep at the meetings and skip field service and no one would mind.
Don't be too harsh on your old father, even though he is being harsh to your brother.
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Certainty of Uncertainty
by belbab intwo words with a hinge in between.
change the hinge to whatever, above, beyond, before, and, or?.
can i be certain someone will answer this post?.
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wot on earth are you blathering about man
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My personal proof elders are not spirit appointed
by stillajwexelder ini was congregation secretary.
all of us were against appointing a particular ms as elder despite the fact he had regular pioneered for 15 years.
the reason was he told crude jokes and all in the congregation knew it.
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But stilla, you're a female. if you were Secretary of your congregation that is proof enough surely that the holy spirit had nothing to do with your appointment.
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Disciples believed in a visible parousia
by Doug Mason inthe following is taken from a qfr in a watchtower magazine: .
[question]: at matthew 24:3 [the disciples] did not at that time understand that it would be an invisible presence.
[part of answer]: not yet having received holy spirit, .
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Not quite sure what the point is that you are making.
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My Personal Proof That Elders Are Not Appointed by Holy Spirit
by TMS inthis topic is not about men living sinfully at the time of their appointment as elders.
it is not about pedophile elders, although i've personally known three, two who were pedophiles at the time of their appointment by the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.. first of all a quick summary of what jehovah's witnesses are taught about the appointment of elders and ministerial servants:.
before the visit of the circuit overseer, the local elders meet to consider who, if any, among the local congregation they will recommend as elders or .
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It is not about pedophile elders, although I've personally known three, two who were pedophiles at the time of their appointment by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses.
'Personally known'...almost sounds like they were good friends of yours.
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We need a better 'spiritual points' system
by outofthebox ini was in the service today (i know, i know... i know!)...
... and i was thinking, the problem here is the current spiritual points system we have in place.
you know what i am talking about.
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How about points for just being kind & caring, doing nice things for poor and needy people and the lonely and depressed. How about 50 points for each elder that invites over for a meal a depressed, lost soul who sits at the back of the meeting that always arrives late, leaves straight away, and hardly ever smiles.
How about 50 points for every phone call or food hamper left on the door of every elderly, lonely, isolated person who misses lots of meetings.
How about 100 points for showing a random act of real love and kindness to a worlding without being on field service or trying to convert them.
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30 minute talks start this weekend.
by OnTheWayOut infor those of you attending kingdom hell meetings, let us know how this.
(yawn) exciting change goes over.
let us know how many speakers went .
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Material will now be 100% outline and 0% independent research and entertaining anecdotes. So much better. Only way to improve it would be to go to manuscripts on the sunday talks like the DC parts. OR even pre-recorded talks distributed on CDs with the local elder just going up to the platform to do the gestures.
Haha, classic! Yes, why don't they just make them like the dramas at the conventions...just have the speaker silently mime & gesture in synch with a recorded voice on CD from the Watchtower. They could make it the voice of a different GB member each week. The rank and file would feel so awe-inspired about hearing the voice of the actual channel of God...it would be like hearing Jehovah's voice from heaven itself, since loyally submitting to theocratic instruction from the GB is the same as loyally submitting to Jesus and Jehovah. Now that would really motivate the Watchtowerites to keep going to their meeting!
Or even better still, why not just play a video on a big screen via a projector a GB member delivering the talk! The dubbies would be totally entranced, like having a visitation from a divine being. Who needs public speakers then! Who would dare beg off from a personal invitation to gaze upon the appearance of a GB member in real, dynamic speaking action! Wow...even I want to go to that! And that way they could finally dump the theocratic ministry school and the purported need for training up new speakers! What a loving arrangement.